Available in Illinois

10x15 Chandler & Price
Old Series Platen Press

- with treadle -

Chandler & Price Platen Press Name plate

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Type in Cabinets with Job Cases
Manufactured by Hamilton Cabinet Company, Two Rivers, Wisconsin.
Industrial Cabinets with Furniture-like quality of craftsmanship circa 1920
and filled with an assortment of type in cases

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Paper Cutter ~ Galley Cabinet

currently listed on eBay

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Bill's email to Alan:

10x15 C&P Oldstyle PressThe C & P Press serial number is 17094, which is on the upper left on the flat plate that comes down onto the plate that comes up from the bottom. 
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#17904 was manufactured in 1905.) The press has a foot "trundle" (treadle) to be operated by foot power, and does not appear to have been setup with any electric motor in any way.

The Press seems to operate very freely, and there is no rust, but appears to have a heavy accumulation of ink on most of the parts.  On the outside of the main frame, the original gold "pin" striping can still be seen.  It appears to be complete, and was stored in a climate controlled environment until Saturday morning.  It's currently in my shed, setting on pallets off of the ground, where at least it will remain dry and clean as best as I can provide.

Chandler & Price Paper CutterAlong with it, I also have a C & P paper cutter, Serial Number 5899, imprinted on the cutting surface. (1903-1904) It too seems to be in working order and all parts move freely.  This thing is almost big enough to be a guillotine.  The Lever is over 5 feet long.

Hamilton 48 case Printers Type CabinetThere are three cabinets of type(circa 1910-1940) The three cabinets must weigh about 500 pounds each.  The one big wooden cabinet appears to have type up to 36 point, and multiple fonts...and then there's some other wood and lead blocks with artwork.  Two of the three cabinets of type seem organized, the third has a lot of mixed up stuff, and we have a 5 gallon bucket of miscellaneous type that was in a sink, apparently washed but never really put back and organized. My guess is that there is at least 1000 pounds of type in the three cabinets.

Hamilton Galley CabinetI really would like to have the time to put all of this together, but, I do not have the time, as I have two young daughters, and a demanding job.  But, I really appreciate the craftsmanship of these old machines, that seem to still be in working order, and that fact they are somewhere around 100 years old.

I'd rather these machines and accessories go to someone whom would put them to use than see it go to the melting pot.  They just don't make things like this anymore.

The location of this Press and other equipment is 30 miles east of St. Louis, MO, in Illinois.  I do have a 16 foot trailer and could load everything onto it and deliver it. I'd be willing to drive and help unload it all if the new owner would be willing to pay a reasonable transport fee.  

It's just that they better have a fork lift on the other end, and many very strong people.  We used a couple of heavy dollies, and a tractor with a loader to get them off of the trailer and three of my best friends to get this loaded and unloaded.
  
Regards

Bill Miener
Director of Information Systems & Services
Edwardsville Community School District #7
"Miener" set in Cooper Black


Alan's reply:
Bill -

I got the photos. Thanks. The press is an early Series 10x15  C&P. #17904 was manufactured in 1905. It's a beaut and I'm glad you saved it. It will certainly be appreciated by it's next operator.

10 x15 Chandler & Price TreadleAnd you're correct. It was not made to be motor driven. The flywheel shaft only extends a few inches to the right. Typically, powered presses of this style have about 5" more of shaft to hold a drive wheel on the right side. This one does not have that second wheel, so the only way to motorize it would be by driving from the large flywheel, which is not recommended. My guess is that this press has been treadle-operated since 1904... Damn. I'd like to have this one for myself...

The treadle is of particular interest. It looks perfect and the metal on both machines looks to be in great shape. These presses are typically either rusty or ink-covered or oily with paper dust embedded in the oil. Both of these look to be clean in every way.

Chandler & Price Paper CutterThe cutter looks good, too. It's the old style C&P cutter with that long arm, hinged at the floor. Later ones like this typically hinged at the level of the paper table.
#5899 could be either a 23" cutter made in 1904 or, if it has a 26" opening for the paper, it would have been one made in 1903. The 23" models were made from 1897-1925, then came back in the same
size, but with an updated design in 1957 and made until 1964. The 26" models were made from  1897-1907 with a curved yoke, then made with a flat yoke from 1908-1934.

There's no commercial market for either the cutter or the press due to safety concerns, but they are ideal for someone like myself or any of the many non-commercial printers working in garages, barns and "studios" around the country, or any of the nuevo printers doing "Letterpress Wedding Stationary" which is all the rage right now.

BUT, anyone who operates these two must be forewarned. The press can easily squash the fingers of a careless feeder and the cutter does not appear to have the safety catch found on later models.

These machines can be operated safely, but it must be by a conscientious and alert operator. I've been using both since I was a kid and I have all of my fingers...

So those are the warnings.

I saw a corner of the Hamilton cabinet as well - once again - in great shape. AND, it has the sloping work surface top that makes a real difference to someone who will be making up forms. This is the style I
use. That top comes off rather easy, by the way - in case you didn't already find out, it simply rests on top of the wooden cabinet and is a separate piece. Just be careful that it does not come off unexpectedly
while moving it around.

The type is another issue entirely. Some could be priceless, some could be worth $.50/pound. It all depends upon the faces and the condition of the letters themselves. The metal is called 'type metal' (aka lead) but is actually an alloy of lead, tin and antimony, with 50-88% being lead. In the case of ATF foundry type, about 70% lead, the rest being tin and antimony. But, as an alloy, it has unique characteristics of its own and is not really 'lead' to a metallurgist.

So. You have rescued some treasures. If the type was being washed, it was most likely high quality stuff from ATF and worth cleaning. Sorting it would be a labor of love for someone like myself, but a tedious chore for most normal people. I don't know what to suggest about the type at the moment, but we can go into details about that later.

Type is still being cast by a number of private foundries around the country, but only one man - Theo Rehak of http://www.daleguild.com/ - is actually casting ATF quality type using their metal formula and actually using ATF's old custom-made Barth casters. Most of the others casting type in the world today are using high lead content 'soft metal' in Monotype or Thompson casters designed to make type for one-time use. ATF type was touted at being good for "a million impressions", whereas the soft metal was designed to be used once, then remelted and recast.

The odd ornaments and cuts are in a field of their own and precious in any case - as long as they represent usable images or universal designs. If you could organize them and get some more photos- close up and from a distance, I could tell you more.

For our purposes, a full shot of the press and cutter would also be helpful to describe them- although you did pick the critical shots I needed to see to glean this information. A front shot of the type cabinet would be good as well. And, shots of the type in the cases can also tell me a lot. I can often recognize if the type is ATF or Monotype just from the way it lays in the case, the number of nicks on the side, the cut of the 'feet' and the 'color' I see in the metal.


- Alan


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