Complete Shop in Illinois needs a new home 10x15 C&P, Cutter, Type in Cabinets Rescue Alert: 7/31/2007 letterpress Update 9/3/2007. This press has been rescued and restoration will be completed by its new owner. Although this website is named "ExcelsiorPress.org", it's not really about the venerable Kelsey Excelsior hand press. I simply named my shop for the little 3x5 Kelsey "Excelsior Press" I began with in 1962, when I was twelves years old. By the time I was 14, I had my 8x12 treadle-operated Gordon and my electric-motor driven 8x12 C&P and a lot of dirty, worn old hand type. The Kelsey Excelsior went on the shelf and became the first press on display in my shop, and I began to collect ever larger and larger presses... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Letterpress
Rescue of the things I have often
said about my
collection is that its filled with presses rescued from the scrap yard.
That's the simple fact. These presses sit in garages, basements, print
shops - often for years after they've stopped being used in daily
operation, and are
often available for free - if you will just "come and pick it up". I
bought my first two large presses in 1965 - when I was 14. I paid $350.
They'd sat,
rusting in the basement of a building in Jersey City, New Jersey, since
the owner had stopped printing about 30 years prior - sometime around
1935... That's how this all
began...
But it's important to understand that nobody makes money buying and selling hand presses these days. They can't be used commercially because they're hand-fed and OSHA doesn't like that. They can't be used in schools because the trade is history and no one needs to learn this craft as a trade any more. The best home for an old letterpress is with a collector like me - or like you might be as well - especially if you're here now and are taking the time to read this web page.... These
days, I
get phone calls. I get
emails. The printer is retiring or has died. His wife or his children
need to sell the
home, the shop
or what ever building the shop was in. Of
course, as soon as a
collector expresses an interest in one of these "otherwise to be
scrapped" presses, the current owner often senses a chance to make some
money from their old white elephant and decides that they want to
sell it. One old printer just did that to us. He's retiring from the
business and has sold his building. He has to clear it out. But he
still sees his old Kluge as 'worth' $750. Well, it is. Frankly, I think
his press is priceless and should be preserved. But it's only worth
$750 if he can
find a buyer willing to pay
not only for the press, but for the cost of moving it as
well. But
he's stubborn in his
insistance that he will not part with the press unless I come up with
$750 cash to pay him. Then I can have the two hand presses as well and
he'd consign the rest of his stuff with me to sell for him on eBay. I
don't think he realizes that it will cost me $500 to
save his presses... and I just don't have the money. And
I
don't have $750 + $150
to rent a truck plus two days to prepare and move everything, so he's
going to just scrap it all instead.
Another press we failed to rescue: Mr. Thompson's 8x12 C&P:
 May it Rest in Peace - in the scrap yard
I got word of this
beautiful early series (pre 1914) 8x12 C&P press above when a
responsible historian saw it
and realized that it
should not be scrapped. She found me via this website and contacted me,
asking if I wanted to save this press and add it to my collection. She
even went so far as to take some excellent photos. I contacted the
owner and she seemed quite agreeable to work with me - until today,
when the scrap guy was there and I wasn't. She became stressed at
delays and finally just needed to get rid of it. She couldn't wait for
me to
arrange for a truck and get there to pick it up. As I typed this text,
this
beautiful old press was on the way to the scrap yard, to be smashed,
destroyed and sent overseas to China as scrap American steel. It's heartbreaking. My reaction? I'm too tough to cry, too understanding to get angry, so I reacted as any web master might - I've created a new web page about "press rescue" - what saving their father's press can mean to the current owner, a future owner and to future generations of printers who may want to use these presses. Besides, it's therapeutic. It gave me a way to turn this pain I feel into something meaningful and productive. Who knows, this page may help save another press some time in the future. I sure hope so. What's
my old press worth?
Well, that's easy. It's worth what your buyer is willing to pay for it. It's worth nothing if you are not going to use it - or at least look at it and think of the years it was in use - imagine the pressmen of the past who stood in front of that machine for hours at a time, carefully feeding blank sheets of paper into it and retrieving printed pieces... When I run my old 10x15 C&P, built in 1914, I think of the factory workers who built it and the printers who stood in front of it and fed it by hand. Some young pressman fed this press in 1914 - and may have gone off to war in 1918. Another may have done the same in 1940. I know that I did in 1968... Did they come back from their war and stand in front of this press feeding it again? I did. I hope they did as well. It's a very peaceful experience, feeding a hand press at 20-30 sheets per minute. It gets a bit more hectic if you push it, but who needs to these days? If I want a press that runs fast, I put the job on my Heidelberg Windmill. But, for short runs of a few hundred pieces, you just can't beat an old 10x15 C&P.... But if you can't envision it's history -or imagine it's future, it's just an old hunk of cast iron and steel. By the time its sat in the basement, garage or old print shop for a while, it's a burden. The owner will have to pay to move it. Maybe some scrap dealer will take it away for free. Maybe some old collector will show up all excited and save it from its otherwise ignominious fate...
~~~~~~~~~~~ What if I want one? Who's got one available? Well, I have a few. And I think I'll be getting more. And I finally have figured out how to do it. I'll take presses. I may pay $100-200 as a token, to be polite. So that's where the price begins. Then I'll rent a truck and move it. $150/day for the truck. My time is not factored in. But then I have to store it. I'm lucky. I have a barn. My rent there is cheap. A press requires about 15 square feet to store. That costs me about $10/month. So add that in. If I keep a press for a year, figure another $120. But now we're up to my cost to rescue a press of about $400. (And I'm still not being paid for my time, but that's okay. This is a labor of love.) So. If you want a press, please be prepared to pay what it has really cost me to save it. If you have one that you need to get rid of, please don't be greedy - or think that I am. Please try to understand the real costs involved in getting it to a safe place. If you think what I've laid out here makes sense, give me a call. If not, don't. I'm pretty sad about the press that got away today. I'm sorry I couldn't save it, but it wasn't because I didn't want to.... How old is my press? The Amalgamated Printer's Association has posted a page with C&P Serial Numbers showing the dates of manufacture. Another excellent source of information are the catalog and serial number pages published free to the public by BoxCarPress. These folks have assembled, scanned and made available dozens of manufacturers' diagrams and references for many presses - including a better copy of the C&P serial numbers than the one I just paid $10 for on eBay... BoxCarPress is also a leader in promoting, supplying and supporting the use of Photo Polymer Printing Plates for letterpress printers... Locating the serial number of your Chandler & Price Platen Press Look at the Top Left Corner of the press bed - just beneath the ink table: 
 note: some New Style C&P Pilot Presses have serial numbers stamped into the TOP of the bed at this point. How can I find a buyer for my press? Although we have seen an 8x12 C&P sell on eBay for $2600, most of the time, no bids are submitted at all for these heavy, hard-to-ship cast iron machines. The best place to list these full-sized presses and wait to find a local buyer is at http://BriarPress.org We would also be happy to list your press here at ExcelsiorPress.org How much does this thing weigh? When these presses were shipped from the factory, the crated weights of Old Style presses were as follows:
Of course, those are crated shipping weights, the actual presses do weigh less uncrated. Where can I find a service or instruction manual for my press? We have lots of information available for your press and are happy to share it, but platen presses did not come with service or instruction manuals. These presses were used by printers trained in their use without the benefit of books in most case, although some excellent text books do exist. Serial numbers issued by year, parts lists/exploded diagrams are readily available. We wll be adding links to them here as soon as time allows Color: Most came from the factory either black or gray. The early models were generally black with gold pinstriping. Later models battleship gray. We have never seen a service manual or operator's manual for any hand-fed platen press - except for the little Kelsey Printer's Guide, which applies to their table-top presses. Any manual you might find would be about an automatic feed model and the info in them deals almost exclusively with adjustment and maintenance of the feed system, which would be totally irrelevant to your needs. Hand press service & maintenance information and operating instructions were considered the craftman's responsibility and were taught in trade school and union courses. All the information you will need is available in the old text books. The best of all is "The Practice of Printing" by Ralph W. Polk. I have copies of it here, but I have been keeping them for students and have none for sale at the moment. But they are out there. Search eBay, Briar Press and Don Black Linecasting, or just google "The Practice of Printing" by Ralph W. Polk. Interested in a REALLY involved bit of press rescue and restoration? See this web page by the Canadian Conservation Institue and how they rescued and restored a 12x18 C&P used in the Yukon. Please contact Alan Runfeldt with other questions. page last updated July 28, 2006 March 26, 2007 April 25, 2007
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